Oblivion - silly weapon weights

[WDS]

I was kind of hoping that for Oblivion they would get away from the
rediculously silly weapon weights that the earlier games had. But, no,
they are just as bad. Last night my mage found a 25 pound cutlass (not
any weird metal, either). Good grief! I have a 6 foot steel pry bar
that doesn't weigh nearly that much! Most real one handed swords are 3
pounds or less and even two handed swords rarely were more than twice
that. The armor weights seem reasonable at least.

http://www.thearma.org/essays/weights.htm

"Few, if any fighting swords, from short blades to bastard variety and
rapiers weighed even close to 4 pounds..."

"On an occasion when I worked out with two 16th century war-swords,
each weighing just over 3 pounds... I recall during one wonderful
opportunity to floryshe outside for several minutes with an actual 16th
century two-handed infantry sword, my being entirely surprised at how
easily the immense 6 pound weapon handled so that it readily felt as if
it weighed half as much."

[Adam Russell]

Post by WDS
I was kind of hoping that for Oblivion they would get away from the
rediculously silly weapon weights that the earlier games had. But, no,
they are just as bad. Last night my mage found a 25 pound cutlass (not
any weird metal, either).

Are you sure that wasnt a claymore?

[WDS]

Post by Adam Russell

Post by WDS
I was kind of hoping that for Oblivion they would get away from the
rediculously silly weapon weights that the earlier games had. But, no,
they are just as bad. Last night my mage found a 25 pound cutlass (not
any weird metal, either).

Are you sure that wasnt a claymore?

Nope, a "sharpened cutlass" or something like that. It's a one handed
weapon.

Even claymores only weigh a few pounds, though. Not 25.

"Claymore, Two-handed sword and Greatsword: The large two-handed swords
were popular in Scotland during the 15th, 16th and the 17th centuries.
Ranging in length from just over four feet to six feet, they possessed
handles that were 18" - 21" in length. Overall the swords weighed much
less than people think, most only six or seven pounds, although there
are examples that weigh as much as ten pounds. The term Claymore was
also used to describe a Scottish broadsword with a basket hilt."

[chainbreaker]

Post by WDS
I was kind of hoping that for Oblivion they would get away from the
rediculously silly weapon weights that the earlier games had. But,
no, they are just as bad. Last night my mage found a 25 pound
cutlass (not any weird metal, either). Good grief! I have a 6 foot
steel pry bar that doesn't weigh nearly that much! Most real one
handed swords are 3 pounds or less and even two handed swords rarely
were more than twice that. The armor weights seem reasonable at
least.

Well, if you'll notice, the loads most characters can handle are
ridiculously high, too, when compared with the "real world". My high elf
mage, a relative weakling, can still carry 150 pounds around, a weight that
would bring just about all but the strongest real world strongmen down in
short order.

I just take it that wherever the Elder Scrolls world is that they're a
crapload stronger than we are and forget about it. :-)

[GSV Three Minds in a Can]

Post by chainbreaker

Post by WDS
I was kind of hoping that for Oblivion they would get away from the
rediculously silly weapon weights that the earlier games had. But,
no, they are just as bad. Last night my mage found a 25 pound
cutlass (not any weird metal, either). Good grief! I have a 6 foot
steel pry bar that doesn't weigh nearly that much! Most real one
handed swords are 3 pounds or less and even two handed swords rarely
were more than twice that. The armor weights seem reasonable at
least.

Well, if you'll notice, the loads most characters can handle are
ridiculously high, too, when compared with the "real world". My high elf
mage, a relative weakling, can still carry 150 pounds around, a weight that
would bring just about all but the strongest real world strongmen down in
short order.
I just take it that wherever the Elder Scrolls world is that they're a
crapload stronger than we are and forget about it. :-)

Alternatively a 'pound' in ElderScrollsLand is not the same as a Pound
in the US-of-A,

[Briton]

Post by GSV Three Minds in a Can
Alternatively a 'pound' in ElderScrollsLand is not the same as a Pound
in the US-of-A,

...and why might I ask the Us-of A?

[ewdotson]

Post by Briton

Post by GSV Three Minds in a Can
Alternatively a 'pound' in ElderScrollsLand is not the same as a Pound
in the US-of-A,

...and why might I ask the Us-of A?

Because most places are sensible enough to use kilograms?

[Jeremy Reaban]

Post by ewdotson

Post by Briton

Post by GSV Three Minds in a Can
Alternatively a 'pound' in ElderScrollsLand is not the same as a Pound
in the US-of-A,

...and why might I ask the Us-of A?

Because most places are sensible enough to use kilograms?

Anyplace silly enough to use kilogram as "weight" is silly indeed.

[ewdotson]

Post by Jeremy Reaban

Post by ewdotson

Post by Briton

Post by GSV Three Minds in a Can
Alternatively a 'pound' in ElderScrollsLand is not the same as a Pound
in the US-of-A,

...and why might I ask the Us-of A?

Because most places are sensible enough to use kilograms?

Anyplace silly enough to use kilogram as "weight" is silly indeed.

Phooey, I actually considered saying more, but didn't want to be
pedantic. As this is usenet, I really ought to have known better.
There ARE variations of the Imperial system where there are both
force-pounds and mass-pounds. And, well, slugs are simply not the
most convenient or intuitive measurement ever, even to people
accustomed to using Imperial measures. Of course, I suppose the game
actually describes the numbers we're talking about as "weight"
somewhere, but I honestly hadn't been thinking of that. It's rare
indeed that I use newtons or any other measure of force over the course
of the day.

[Michael Romes]

Post by ewdotson

Post by Briton

Post by GSV Three Minds in a Can
Alternatively a 'pound' in ElderScrollsLand is not the same as a Pound
in the US-of-A,

...and why might I ask the Us-of A?

Because most places are sensible enough to use kilograms?

Even in places that use kilograms there are pounds - just not of the
same weight as other pounds, e.g. in germany 1 Kilogramm = 1000 gramm,
but 500 gramm = 1 Pfund (pound).
bye
Michael

[Bret Ripley]

Post by Briton

Post by GSV Three Minds in a Can
Alternatively a 'pound' in ElderScrollsLand is not the same as a Pound
in the US-of-A,

...and why might I ask the Us-of A?

Because while the US-of-A pound is 16 ounces, the British pound is
approximately 1.73 US-of-A Dollars?

HTH,

Bret

[Briton]

Post by Bret Ripley

Post by Briton

Post by GSV Three Minds in a Can
Alternatively a 'pound' in ElderScrollsLand is not the same as a
Pound in the US-of-A,

...and why might I ask the Us-of A?

Because while the US-of-A pound is 16 ounces, the British pound is
approximately 1.73 US-of-A Dollars?
HTH,
Bret

A great many of us still think in pounds and ounces and your thinking of
pounds Sterling ;-)

[chainbreaker]

Post by Briton

Post by Bret Ripley

Post by Briton

Post by GSV Three Minds in a Can
Alternatively a 'pound' in ElderScrollsLand is not the same as a
Pound in the US-of-A,

...and why might I ask the Us-of A?

Because while the US-of-A pound is 16 ounces, the British pound is
approximately 1.73 US-of-A Dollars?
HTH,
Bret

A great many of us still think in pounds and ounces and your thinking
of pounds Sterling ;-)

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I wish the US had converted to the
metric system 20+ years ago like it seemed then we were going to do. It
would have been a real bitch for me, and I'm sure I would probably still be
doing mental conversions for some things, but worth it in the long haul, I'm
sure.

But one thing about our country, if the people want a "it might be fucked
up, but it's ours" system of weights and measures, then BYGOD, we're allowed
to keep it.

[Briton]

Post by chainbreaker

Post by Briton

Post by Bret Ripley

Post by Briton

Post by GSV Three Minds in a Can
Alternatively a 'pound' in ElderScrollsLand is not the same as a
Pound in the US-of-A,

...and why might I ask the Us-of A?

Because while the US-of-A pound is 16 ounces, the British pound is
approximately 1.73 US-of-A Dollars?
HTH,
Bret

A great many of us still think in pounds and ounces and your thinking
of pounds Sterling ;-)

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I wish the US had converted to
the metric system 20+ years ago like it seemed then we were going to
do.

I didn't realise they were.

Post by chainbreaker
It would have been a real bitch for me, and I'm sure I would
probably still be doing mental conversions for some things, but worth
it in the long haul, I'm sure.

Yeah your right. We moaned about it but it does make sense.

Post by chainbreaker
But one thing about our country, if the people want a "it might be
fucked up, but it's ours" system of weights and measures, then BYGOD,
we're allowed to keep it.

You believe that? If the powers that be wanted to change it...they would.

[chainbreaker]

Post by Briton

Post by chainbreaker
But one thing about our country, if the people want a "it might be
fucked up, but it's ours" system of weights and measures, then BYGOD,
we're allowed to keep it.

You believe that? If the powers that be wanted to change it...they would.

I doubt it, at least not in the near future--it's not quite in the order of
the old standbys like gun control and abortion for base political rhetoric,
but my guess is it'd come close if changing it were really on the table.

That said, I think that someday it'll happen, and none too soon at that.

[Bret Ripley]

Post by chainbreaker

Post by Briton

Post by Bret Ripley

Post by Briton

Post by GSV Three Minds in a Can
Alternatively a 'pound' in ElderScrollsLand is not the same as a
Pound in the US-of-A,

...and why might I ask the Us-of A?

Because while the US-of-A pound is 16 ounces, the British pound is
approximately 1.73 US-of-A Dollars?
HTH,
Bret

A great many of us still think in pounds and ounces and your thinking
of pounds Sterling ;-)

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I wish the US had converted to the
metric system 20+ years ago like it seemed then we were going to do.

I remember being told in Elementary school (some 30+ years ago) that by the
time I grew up everything would be metric -- I wish it had turned out that
way. I'm constantly doing coversion as work, and metric just makes much
more sense.

Post by chainbreaker
It
would have been a real bitch for me, and I'm sure I would probably still be
doing mental conversions for some things, but worth it in the long haul, I'm
sure.
But one thing about our country, if the people want a "it might be fucked
up, but it's ours" system of weights and measures, then BYGOD, we're allowed
to keep it.

Really? I thought it was because I'm lazy!

Bret

[chainbreaker]

Post by Bret Ripley

Post by chainbreaker
I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I wish the US had converted
to the metric system 20+ years ago like it seemed then we were going
to do.

I remember being told in Elementary school (some 30+ years ago) that
by the time I grew up everything would be metric -- I wish it had
turned out that way. I'm constantly doing coversion as work, and
metric just makes much more sense.

I remember seeing directional roadsigns with both miles/kilometers on
them--not a lot, but there were several, around here at least. There wasn't
really a lot of uproar about it either, as I recall, but evidently there was
enough somewhere to dry up the changeover on the vine.

I worked heavy construction/maintenance for years and the US not using the
metric system is a godawful aggravation, because it requires anyone in that
line of work to keep two complete toolsets, and for all intents, to work
with a large portion of two weights/measurement systems, anyway.

And that's not to mention from all the muckups that come about from such as
US Unified thread bolts accidentally being forced into metric bolts/holes,
etc and the resultant costs to repair the damage.

But this is beginning to get way off topic, even though it's been one of my
favorite rants for a long time. :-)

[Bret Ripley]

Post by Briton

Post by Bret Ripley

Post by Briton

Post by GSV Three Minds in a Can
Alternatively a 'pound' in ElderScrollsLand is not the same as a
Pound in the US-of-A,

...and why might I ask the Us-of A?

Because while the US-of-A pound is 16 ounces, the British pound is
approximately 1.73 US-of-A Dollars?
HTH,
Bret

A great many of us still think in pounds and ounces and your thinking of
pounds Sterling ;-)

Is that a bad thing? And please don't tell me I should be thinking of
Euros. ;)

Bret

[GSV Three Minds in a Can]

Post by Briton

Post by GSV Three Minds in a Can
Alternatively a 'pound' in ElderScrollsLand is not the same as a Pound
in the US-of-A,

...and why might I ask the Us-of A?

Because that's where most of the weight comments have been coming from.
The rest of the planet has these things called Kilograms, anyway.

[chainbreaker]

Post by GSV Three Minds in a Can
Alternatively a 'pound' in ElderScrollsLand is not the same as a Pound
in the US-of-A,

Heh, I thought of that, too, right after I hit "send", but I still think the
more "logical" inference is that everyone in Oblivionland is simply
pissant-strong, nearly. :-)

[Jeremy Reaban]

"chainbreaker" <***@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Post by chainbreaker
Well, if you'll notice, the loads most characters can handle are
ridiculously high, too, when compared with the "real world". My high elf
mage, a relative weakling, can still carry 150 pounds around, a weight
that would bring just about all but the strongest real world strongmen
down in short order.

It's a character balance deal. The better weapons weigh more, so characters
have to be a higher level (and thus stronger) to use them.

[squid]

Post by chainbreaker

Post by WDS
I was kind of hoping that for Oblivion they would get away from the
rediculously silly weapon weights that the earlier games had. But,
no, they are just as bad. Last night my mage found a 25 pound
cutlass (not any weird metal, either). Good grief! I have a 6 foot
steel pry bar that doesn't weigh nearly that much! Most real one
handed swords are 3 pounds or less and even two handed swords rarely
were more than twice that. The armor weights seem reasonable at
least.

Well, if you'll notice, the loads most characters can handle are
ridiculously high, too, when compared with the "real world". My high elf
mage, a relative weakling, can still carry 150 pounds around, a weight that
would bring just about all but the strongest real world strongmen down in
short order.
I just take it that wherever the Elder Scrolls world is that they're a
crapload stronger than we are and forget about it. :-)

My figher-mage is approaching 500 with the help of augmented strength
and a certain alteration spell (Pack Mule, I think it's called. Quite
appropriate :)


squid.

[B Rhine]

Maybe their fantasy planet has stronger G'ee forces. Could be like Terry
Pratchett's Discworld, where the terrain is just the shell on a huge space
turtle swimming thru space? Ask DEATH.

I got a bugged Rockshatter, 0 burden, on my second char. I can't get rid
of. I don't know if I should be happy for that or sad. I'd love to get rid
of it because its an eyesore, mind you.

Their inventory design is real bad. I won't get up on my soapbox about it,
tho.

Brad

[drocket]

Post by WDS
I was kind of hoping that for Oblivion they would get away from the
rediculously silly weapon weights that the earlier games had. But, no,
they are just as bad. Last night my mage found a 25 pound cutlass (not
any weird metal, either). Good grief! I have a 6 foot steel pry bar
that doesn't weigh nearly that much! Most real one handed swords are 3
pounds or less and even two handed swords rarely were more than twice
that. The armor weights seem reasonable at least.

As was already said, who says that the world of Oblivion uses the same
weight system as Earth? Actually, does the game even SPECIFY that the
weight is in pounds?

[HockeyTownUSA]

Post by drocket

Post by WDS
I was kind of hoping that for Oblivion they would get away from the
rediculously silly weapon weights that the earlier games had. But, no,
they are just as bad. Last night my mage found a 25 pound cutlass (not
any weird metal, either). Good grief! I have a 6 foot steel pry bar
that doesn't weigh nearly that much! Most real one handed swords are 3
pounds or less and even two handed swords rarely were more than twice
that. The armor weights seem reasonable at least.

As was already said, who says that the world of Oblivion uses the same
weight system as Earth? Actually, does the game even SPECIFY that the
weight is in pounds?

No, it isn't specified. But the a sword weighing 25 Oblivion Weight Units
(OWU) and armor weighing 15 ??? I don't think so.

[drocket]

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:49:51 -0500, "HockeyTownUSA" <magma at comcast

Post by HockeyTownUSA
No, it isn't specified. But the a sword weighing 25 Oblivion Weight Units
(OWU) and armor weighing 15 ??? I don't think so.

Well, I'm sure those 'chainmail bikinis' that fantasy babes are always
wearing are pretty light, so not all armor has to be that heavy :)

Anyway, that's light armor in the game. Better armors weight much
more. I think my cuirass weighs something like 60 'units' (although
my 2-handed sword weighs something like 50.) Of course, that is just
my chest piece - altogether my armor is probably 150 or more.