Discussion:
Matrix Online how bad is it really?
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mike allegretto
2005-05-10 20:39:27 UTC
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I have heard ppl are leaving this game faster than Star Wars Galaxies
(if thats possible) plus other things like they got a real shady way
of making you cancel your account (cant do it online gotta call if you
are lucky enough to get through).

Just how bad is this game?
James_
2005-05-10 20:52:58 UTC
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Post by mike allegretto
I have heard ppl are leaving this game faster than Star Wars Galaxies
(if thats possible) plus other things like they got a real shady way
of making you cancel your account (cant do it online gotta call if you
are lucky enough to get through).
Just how bad is this game?
Because of the cancel method, I never tried the game. Plus, I read some on the official forums, and
the game didn't sound very stable. It also sounded like it had very little content.
Bob Perez
2005-05-10 21:17:56 UTC
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Post by James_
Post by mike allegretto
I have heard ppl are leaving this game faster than Star Wars Galaxies
(if thats possible) plus other things like they got a real shady way
of making you cancel your account (cant do it online gotta call if you
are lucky enough to get through).
Because of the cancel method, I never tried the game.
What's the story here, I hadn't heard about this. You can sign up online but
you can't cancel online?
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Byron Hinson
2005-05-10 21:30:58 UTC
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Post by James_
Post by mike allegretto
I have heard ppl are leaving this game faster than Star Wars Galaxies
(if thats possible) plus other things like they got a real shady way
of making you cancel your account (cant do it online gotta call if you
are lucky enough to get through).
Because of the cancel method, I never tried the game.
What's the story here, I hadn't heard about this. You can sign up online but
you can't cancel online?
Have to either send in a petition or phone up. I sent in a petition and
cancelled in 2 weeks, its dire, no content, lots of lag and other bugs.
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Rob Berryhill
2005-05-10 22:45:38 UTC
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Post by James_
Post by mike allegretto
I have heard ppl are leaving this game faster than Star Wars Galaxies
(if thats possible) plus other things like they got a real shady way
of making you cancel your account (cant do it online gotta call if you
are lucky enough to get through).
Just how bad is this game?
Because of the cancel method, I never tried the game. Plus, I read some on the official forums, and
the game didn't sound very stable. It also sounded like it had very little content.
The open beta was enough for me. I spent less than 4 hours in the game
and I *knew* that it was not for me and offered absolutely NOTHING that
hadn't already been done better by another game before.
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Joiner
2005-05-10 23:11:48 UTC
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Post by mike allegretto
I have heard ppl are leaving this game faster than Star Wars Galaxies
(if thats possible) plus other things like they got a real shady way
of making you cancel your account (cant do it online gotta call if you
are lucky enough to get through).
Just how bad is this game?
one of the worst ever

it sucks
Grackle
2005-05-11 00:11:54 UTC
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Post by Joiner
Post by mike allegretto
I have heard ppl are leaving this game faster than Star Wars Galaxies
(if thats possible) plus other things like they got a real shady way
of making you cancel your account (cant do it online gotta call if you
are lucky enough to get through).
Just how bad is this game?
one of the worst ever
it sucks
Just like the film! Extracting energy from humans by sustaining the humans
with energy, come on.
mike allegretto
2005-05-11 00:49:09 UTC
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Post by Grackle
Post by Joiner
Post by mike allegretto
I have heard ppl are leaving this game faster than Star Wars Galaxies
(if thats possible) plus other things like they got a real shady way
of making you cancel your account (cant do it online gotta call if you
are lucky enough to get through).
Just how bad is this game?
one of the worst ever
it sucks
Just like the film! Extracting energy from humans by sustaining the humans
with energy, come on.
really. i mean why have the Matrix? Haven't the machines seen Coma?
Just have the ppl brain-dead and leave it at that!
Cataleptic
2005-05-11 01:57:05 UTC
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Post by mike allegretto
Post by Grackle
Just like the film! Extracting energy from humans by sustaining the humans
with energy, come on.
really. i mean why have the Matrix? Haven't the machines seen Coma?
Just have the ppl brain-dead and leave it at that!
Well, there's always the conspiracy-within-a-conspiracy option. Perhaps
the 'human battery' story was a bullshit line the machines fed the
humans, and were actually acting on a mutant version of the 3 laws
whereby they plug humanity into a fake reality because their programming
prevents them from exterminating the whole meatbag race... a kind of
species-level padded cell.

Or perhaps the Wachowskis only really thought out the plot until about
1/3rd of they way through number 2, then just made shit up as they went
along, resulting in an increasingly incoherent storyline reliant on SFX
to cover up the fact that by the end of the 3rd film, the plot itself
had more gaping holes than the Hilton sisters...

I guess we'll never know.
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Grackle
2005-05-11 02:45:45 UTC
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Post by Cataleptic
Or perhaps the Wachowskis only really thought out the plot until about
1/3rd of they way through number 2, then just made shit up as they went
along
I think you got it
Knight37
2005-05-11 03:05:11 UTC
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Post by Cataleptic
Or perhaps the Wachowskis only really thought out the plot until about
1/3rd of they way through number 2, then just made shit up as they went
along, resulting in an increasingly incoherent storyline reliant on SFX
to cover up the fact that by the end of the 3rd film, the plot itself
had more gaping holes than the Hilton sisters...
ROFLMAO.

I thought Matrix 1 was a pretty good film. Great effects, decent story,
decent acting.

Matrix 2 was a kick ass action flick, with a goofy impossible to follow
story but hey, it WAS a kick ass action flick.

Matrix 3 was a nightmare. I own it, just because I'm a completist. But I
bet I don't rewatch it half as often as the other 2.
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Cataleptic
2005-05-11 04:04:07 UTC
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Post by Knight37
Post by Cataleptic
Or perhaps the Wachowskis only really thought out the plot until about
1/3rd of they way through number 2, then just made shit up as they went
along, resulting in an increasingly incoherent storyline reliant on SFX
to cover up the fact that by the end of the 3rd film, the plot itself
had more gaping holes than the Hilton sisters...
ROFLMAO.
I thought Matrix 1 was a pretty good film. Great effects, decent story,
decent acting.
Matrix 2 was a kick ass action flick, with a goofy impossible to follow
story but hey, it WAS a kick ass action flick.
Matrix 3 was a nightmare. I own it, just because I'm a completist. But I
bet I don't rewatch it half as often as the other 2.
I concur with your summaries, but personally I only own the first one
(which, as a completist myself, causes a certain amount of
physchological distress :). I just pretend that the first one is the
only real one, and the other two are just second-rate fanfics produced
by gushing fanboys rather than competent script-writers. Actually, I
don't need to *pretend* that, do I?

Given that, it should come as no suprise that I also have no intention
of buying George Lucas' recent big-budget fanfics, either... although,
to the best of my knowledge, he's the only one who has managed to
*retroactively* shit all over his own legacy, so I can't even buy the
DVDs of the first 3 movies (3 words: Han. Shot. First.). Yay! George
Lucas helped me save money!
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Nostromo
2005-05-11 08:18:38 UTC
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Post by Cataleptic
Post by Knight37
Post by Cataleptic
Or perhaps the Wachowskis only really thought out the plot until about
1/3rd of they way through number 2, then just made shit up as they went
along, resulting in an increasingly incoherent storyline reliant on SFX
to cover up the fact that by the end of the 3rd film, the plot itself
had more gaping holes than the Hilton sisters...
ROFLMAO.
I thought Matrix 1 was a pretty good film. Great effects, decent story,
decent acting.
Matrix 2 was a kick ass action flick, with a goofy impossible to follow
story but hey, it WAS a kick ass action flick.
Matrix 3 was a nightmare. I own it, just because I'm a completist. But I
bet I don't rewatch it half as often as the other 2.
I concur with your summaries, but personally I only own the first one
(which, as a completist myself, causes a certain amount of
physchological distress :). I just pretend that the first one is the
only real one, and the other two are just second-rate fanfics produced
by gushing fanboys rather than competent script-writers. Actually, I
don't need to *pretend* that, do I?
Given that, it should come as no suprise that I also have no intention
of buying George Lucas' recent big-budget fanfics, either... although,
to the best of my knowledge, he's the only one who has managed to
*retroactively* shit all over his own legacy, so I can't even buy the
DVDs of the first 3 movies (3 words: Han. Shot. First.). Yay! George
Lucas helped me save money!
He went down a dark path when he go into bed with the muppet show. He
should've watched Meet the Feebles to see how is should've been done ffs!
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Mean_Chlorine
2005-05-11 10:01:37 UTC
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Post by Cataleptic
Given that, it should come as no suprise that I also have no intention
of buying George Lucas' recent big-budget fanfics, either... although,
to the best of my knowledge, he's the only one who has managed to
*retroactively* shit all over his own legacy
I just love the irony of that. The first star wars were good because
other people stopped him from doing everything his way, so like the
superinflated ego he is he retroactively ruins them as soon as those
other people are out of the way.
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Xocyll
2005-05-11 18:44:32 UTC
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Post by Cataleptic
Post by Knight37
Post by Cataleptic
Or perhaps the Wachowskis only really thought out the plot until about
1/3rd of they way through number 2, then just made shit up as they went
along, resulting in an increasingly incoherent storyline reliant on SFX
to cover up the fact that by the end of the 3rd film, the plot itself
had more gaping holes than the Hilton sisters...
ROFLMAO.
I thought Matrix 1 was a pretty good film. Great effects, decent story,
decent acting.
Matrix 2 was a kick ass action flick, with a goofy impossible to follow
story but hey, it WAS a kick ass action flick.
Matrix 3 was a nightmare. I own it, just because I'm a completist. But I
bet I don't rewatch it half as often as the other 2.
I concur with your summaries, but personally I only own the first one
(which, as a completist myself, causes a certain amount of
physchological distress :). I just pretend that the first one is the
only real one, and the other two are just second-rate fanfics produced
by gushing fanboys rather than competent script-writers. Actually, I
don't need to *pretend* that, do I?
I own all 3, probably because I never saw any of them in the theater.
My first view was the dvd itself.

I watched the 3rd movie more than once, but it is a bit of a letdown
compared to the others.
Then again, i've watched Hackers (it came in a bundle pack for $6) more
than once too - for all it's stupidity and just plain wrongness, it's
still a kind of fun movie when you want something mindless.
Post by Cataleptic
Given that, it should come as no suprise that I also have no intention
of buying George Lucas' recent big-budget fanfics, either... although,
to the best of my knowledge, he's the only one who has managed to
*retroactively* shit all over his own legacy, so I can't even buy the
DVDs of the first 3 movies (3 words: Han. Shot. First.). Yay! George
Lucas helped me save money!
Have to agree here. I _might_ have bought the original trilogy on DVD
if the ones I actually saw were available and not the "well really this
is what I wanted but they wouldn't let me do it" version.

I have nothing against "director's cut" editions, as long as the
director isn't a barking madman.

Xocyll
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toolstech
2005-05-12 04:11:47 UTC
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Post by Xocyll
Post by Cataleptic
Given that, it should come as no suprise that I also have no intention
of buying George Lucas' recent big-budget fanfics, either... although,
to the best of my knowledge, he's the only one who has managed to
*retroactively* shit all over his own legacy, so I can't even buy the
DVDs of the first 3 movies (3 words: Han. Shot. First.). Yay! George
Lucas helped me save money!
Have to agree here. I _might_ have bought the original trilogy on DVD
if the ones I actually saw were available and not the "well really this
is what I wanted but they wouldn't let me do it" version.
I have nothing against "director's cut" editions, as long as the
director isn't a barking madman.
Xocyll
Looks like his revisionism is living on with episode 3 as well. As a minor
'spoiler' (yeah right, like someone can't figure out what's going to happen
anyway) a quick peek at the last few pages of the novel show that he
"patched" the gaping plot hole he introduced by C-3PO being built by Anakin
on Tatooine, but introduced a new plot hole unless Leia has photographic
memory and can recall events all the way back to the moment of birth.
James Garvin
2005-05-12 17:01:18 UTC
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Post by Cataleptic
Given that, it should come as no suprise that I also have no intention
of buying George Lucas' recent big-budget fanfics, either... although,
to the best of my knowledge, he's the only one who has managed to
*retroactively* shit all over his own legacy, so I can't even buy the
DVDs of the first 3 movies (3 words: Han. Shot. First.). Yay! George
Lucas helped me save money!
WTF is up with Greedo shooting at ALL. It just doesn't make sense!!
Han is a smuggler/swash buckler type...he WOULD shoot first.
The Enigmatic One
2005-05-12 19:57:40 UTC
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In article <uZadnR4zqO44FR7fRVn-***@comcast.com>, ***@comcast.net
says...
Post by James Garvin
Post by Cataleptic
Given that, it should come as no suprise that I also have no intention
of buying George Lucas' recent big-budget fanfics, either... although,
to the best of my knowledge, he's the only one who has managed to
*retroactively* shit all over his own legacy, so I can't even buy the
DVDs of the first 3 movies (3 words: Han. Shot. First.). Yay! George
Lucas helped me save money!
WTF is up with Greedo shooting at ALL. It just doesn't make sense!!
Han is a smuggler/swash buckler type...he WOULD shoot first.
My main problem is that it just doesn't look good. Storywise, Greedo
getting a shot off is (IMO) a good thing. It plays up the lucky aspect of
Han. Yeah, he's good. But he's also extremely lucky (in both good and bad
ways.) Luck seems to be how the force is manifested in non-force using
characters.


-Tim
James Garvin
2005-05-12 20:20:02 UTC
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Post by The Enigmatic One
says...
Post by James Garvin
Post by Cataleptic
Given that, it should come as no suprise that I also have no intention
of buying George Lucas' recent big-budget fanfics, either... although,
to the best of my knowledge, he's the only one who has managed to
*retroactively* shit all over his own legacy, so I can't even buy the
DVDs of the first 3 movies (3 words: Han. Shot. First.). Yay! George
Lucas helped me save money!
WTF is up with Greedo shooting at ALL. It just doesn't make sense!!
Han is a smuggler/swash buckler type...he WOULD shoot first.
My main problem is that it just doesn't look good. Storywise, Greedo
getting a shot off is (IMO) a good thing. It plays up the lucky aspect of
Han. Yeah, he's good. But he's also extremely lucky (in both good and bad
ways.) Luck seems to be how the force is manifested in non-force using
characters.
But the point is that Han reforms (a little) and comes back to save the
day...before he was pretty cold and calculating and then he works on a
little bit of emotion.

Greed shooting at Han doesn't make any sense. The reason Han shoots
FIRST is because he wouldn't give Greedo a chance to shoot at all.
James Garvin
2005-05-12 16:58:28 UTC
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Post by Knight37
Post by Cataleptic
Or perhaps the Wachowskis only really thought out the plot until about
1/3rd of they way through number 2, then just made shit up as they went
along, resulting in an increasingly incoherent storyline reliant on SFX
to cover up the fact that by the end of the 3rd film, the plot itself
had more gaping holes than the Hilton sisters...
ROFLMAO.
I thought Matrix 1 was a pretty good film. Great effects, decent story,
decent acting.
Best of the trilogy. If the other 2 were on par with the first the
whole thing would have been great...
Post by Knight37
Matrix 2 was a kick ass action flick, with a goofy impossible to follow
story but hey, it WAS a kick ass action flick.
2 was ok, but they tried to hard to make it a cliff hanger (and failed).
Post by Knight37
Matrix 3 was a nightmare. I own it, just because I'm a completist. But I
bet I don't rewatch it half as often as the other 2.
Can someone explain the plot of M3 to me? I mean come on....It didn't
fit with 1 or 2 or it fit with 1, but not 2 or it fit with 2, but not 1.
I was just impossible to figure out WHAT the point of the whole thing was.
Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
2005-05-12 18:14:41 UTC
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Post by James Garvin
Can someone explain the plot of M3 to me? I mean come on....It didn't
fit with 1 or 2 or it fit with 1, but not 2 or it fit with 2, but not
1. I was just impossible to figure out WHAT the point of the whole
thing was.
That was probably the reason for the Deus ex Machina ending when
everything was reset: The Warchowski brothers couldn't figure out the
point, either. :)
shadows
2005-05-14 01:36:15 UTC
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Post by Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
Post by James Garvin
Can someone explain the plot of M3 to me? I mean come on....It didn't
fit with 1 or 2 or it fit with 1, but not 2 or it fit with 2, but not
1. I was just impossible to figure out WHAT the point of the whole
thing was.
That was probably the reason for the Deus ex Machina ending when
everything was reset: The Warchowski brothers couldn't figure out the
point, either. :)
Everything wasn't reset. It was reset before but in M3 things
finally changed. Did you see the same movie I did?
Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
2005-05-14 06:55:42 UTC
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Post by shadows
Everything wasn't reset. It was reset before but in M3 things
finally changed. Did you see the same movie I did?
Yes: At the very end when the Oracle (or the little shaper girl? I
forget) walks past the cat, the world "resets" from the cold, drab
world that the Smith virus turned it into to a colorful sunny day.

Maybe not a "reset" as such, but the Matrix has ben repopulated at
that point - possibly by restoring the normal RSI of each person.
shadows
2005-05-14 18:44:34 UTC
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Post by Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
Post by shadows
Everything wasn't reset. It was reset before but in M3 things
finally changed. Did you see the same movie I did?
Yes: At the very end when the Oracle (or the little shaper girl? I
forget) walks past the cat, the world "resets" from the cold, drab
world that the Smith virus turned it into to a colorful sunny day.
Maybe not a "reset" as such, but the Matrix has ben repopulated at
that point - possibly by restoring the normal RSI of each person.
Smiths damage was removed and a sun rose. It became a new
Matrix. This isn't Dues Ex Machina. The whole point of MxO is to
carry on the story in the new war which now brews between the
humans, machines, and the programs inside the Matrix. Previously
the humans were simply eradicated and refarmed whenever the
"glitch" (Neo) would appear.
Xocyll
2005-05-15 07:07:57 UTC
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Post by shadows
Post by Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
Post by shadows
Everything wasn't reset. It was reset before but in M3 things
finally changed. Did you see the same movie I did?
Yes: At the very end when the Oracle (or the little shaper girl? I
forget) walks past the cat, the world "resets" from the cold, drab
world that the Smith virus turned it into to a colorful sunny day.
Maybe not a "reset" as such, but the Matrix has ben repopulated at
that point - possibly by restoring the normal RSI of each person.
Smiths damage was removed and a sun rose. It became a new
Matrix. This isn't Dues Ex Machina. The whole point of MxO is to
carry on the story in the new war which now brews between the
humans, machines, and the programs inside the Matrix. Previously
the humans were simply eradicated and refarmed whenever the
"glitch" (Neo) would appear.
Er, the "free" humans were eradicated you mean.

What was it the architect said, "the one's" job was to pick 23 people
(16f/7m) from the matrix to rebuild zion?

I don't think he was talking about wiping all humans in the Matrix and
starting another crop.

[Actually, just checked the dvd, he's definitely talking about the
destruction and rebuilding of zion, not the matrix in general.]

Xocyll
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a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
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Quaestor
2005-05-15 07:26:23 UTC
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What was it the architect said, "the one's" job was to pick 23 people
(16f/7m) from the matrix to rebuild zion?
They also saddled him with carrying the code to initiate its destruction
and reload the matrix. That's how I know the evil part was written
by/for billgates: he always wants everyone to be constantly having to
restart.
Post by Xocyll
[Actually, just checked the dvd, he's definitely talking about the
destruction and rebuilding of zion, not the matrix in general.]
Glad we got that cleared up.
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Hartmut Schmider
2005-05-12 18:17:43 UTC
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James Garvin:

jg> Can someone explain the plot of M3 to me? I mean come on....It
jg> didn't fit with 1 or 2 or it fit with 1, but not 2 or it fit with
jg> 2, but not 1. I was just impossible to figure out WHAT the point of
jg> the whole thing was.

No explanation needed. It was the desperate attempt to stretch a concept
beyond its endurance. The "aha" effect of the first movie already wears
thin at the end of M1. The movie was good because it was timed right: the
audience was not yet done sorting out the "virtual reality" gag when the
thing turned into an action flick. When Neo undergoes his ridiculous
transformation into supermans aenemic little brother, the film mercifully
ends.

At that point people start writing PhD thesises about this stuff and JP2
elevates the Wrothers to sainthood. Unfortunately 'twas all they had to
give, so the next two of the inevitable trilogy were derivative shite.
Action packed shite, to be sure, but shite nonetheless. Trying to figure
out the point of it is like trying to understand the jokes that my 5-year
old daughter starts telling after she cracked us all up with the first one.

Regards, Hartmut "there can be only One" Schmider
--
Hartmut Schmider, Queen's University

We are capable of sacrificing ourselves for sentiment.
Sentimentality exacts the sacrifice of others.
Yoritomo-Tashi
Gerry Quinn
2005-05-12 21:44:44 UTC
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Post by James Garvin
Can someone explain the plot of M3 to me? I mean come on....It didn't
fit with 1 or 2 or it fit with 1, but not 2 or it fit with 2, but not 1.
I was just impossible to figure out WHAT the point of the whole thing was.
My theory:

1. General observation: Everything is the Matrix, even the Matrix. The
machines are being simulated too. God in his white suit watches it all
on telly.

2. The plot: Agent Smith is a defensive program gone wrong, to the
detriment of humans and machines alike. The Oracle gave Neo half of a
two-part Trojan worm designed to destroy Smith. When Smith killed the
Oracle he unwittingly absorbed the first half and passed it to all his
copies. When he absorbed the second part of the Trojan from Neo, the
two parts interacted faster than his defensive systems could counteract
them, and he and all his copies were destroyed.

Well, that's as far as I got, and since I don't intend to watch it
again, that's as far as I will get...

- Gerry Quinn
shadows
2005-05-14 01:40:07 UTC
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Post by Gerry Quinn
2. The plot: Agent Smith is a defensive program gone wrong, to the
detriment of humans and machines alike.
You're getting things mixed up. Agent Smith was a Program, Neo
was a Human, and the machines are completely seperate. Three
different factions.

The irony, which was lost on a lot of people, is that Neo and
Smith wanted, ultimately, the same thing.
Gerry Quinn
2005-05-14 10:16:24 UTC
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Post by shadows
Post by Gerry Quinn
2. The plot: Agent Smith is a defensive program gone wrong, to the
detriment of humans and machines alike.
You're getting things mixed up. Agent Smith was a Program, Neo
was a Human, and the machines are completely seperate. Three
different factions.
Which is exactly what I said in the quoted paragraph!
Post by shadows
The irony, which was lost on a lot of people, is that Neo and
Smith wanted, ultimately, the same thing.
Neo wanted the extermination of humanity? Yup, that one was lost on
me...

- Gerry Quinn
James Garvin
2005-05-14 17:08:43 UTC
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Post by shadows
Post by Gerry Quinn
2. The plot: Agent Smith is a defensive program gone wrong, to the
detriment of humans and machines alike.
You're getting things mixed up. Agent Smith was a Program, Neo
was a Human, and the machines are completely seperate. Three
different factions.
Gerry said that "Agent Smith is a defensive PROGRAM gone wrong."
Post by shadows
The irony, which was lost on a lot of people, is that Neo and
Smith wanted, ultimately, the same thing.
Huh? And how did you figure this out from the plot? This is just your
opinion on what was going on...from the plot it isn't clear what anyone
wanted...
Greg Johnson
2005-05-13 01:51:29 UTC
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On Thu, 12 May 2005 10:58:28 -0600, James Garvin
Post by James Garvin
Post by Knight37
Post by Cataleptic
Or perhaps the Wachowskis only really thought out the plot until about
1/3rd of they way through number 2, then just made shit up as they went
along, resulting in an increasingly incoherent storyline reliant on SFX
to cover up the fact that by the end of the 3rd film, the plot itself
had more gaping holes than the Hilton sisters...
ROFLMAO.
I thought Matrix 1 was a pretty good film. Great effects, decent story,
decent acting.
Best of the trilogy. If the other 2 were on par with the first the
whole thing would have been great...
Post by Knight37
Matrix 2 was a kick ass action flick, with a goofy impossible to follow
story but hey, it WAS a kick ass action flick.
2 was ok, but they tried to hard to make it a cliff hanger (and failed).
Post by Knight37
Matrix 3 was a nightmare. I own it, just because I'm a completist. But I
bet I don't rewatch it half as often as the other 2.
Can someone explain the plot of M3 to me? I mean come on....It didn't
fit with 1 or 2 or it fit with 1, but not 2 or it fit with 2, but not 1.
I was just impossible to figure out WHAT the point of the whole thing was.
Read A Wizard of Earthsea by Ursula Le Guin. They blatantly stole the
ending from there.
drocket
2005-05-13 05:02:56 UTC
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Post by Greg Johnson
Read A Wizard of Earthsea by Ursula Le Guin. They blatantly stole the
ending from there.
Actually, no: they blatently stole the end from "Third Eye" by Sophia
Stewart, who submitted the story to the Wachowski brothers several
years before and had it rejected. They just didn't understand the
ending, which is why they told it so badly. The subject is currently
in court (and probably will be until the end of time, with a
never-ending string of appeals...)
James Garvin
2005-05-13 17:44:35 UTC
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Post by drocket
Post by Greg Johnson
Read A Wizard of Earthsea by Ursula Le Guin. They blatantly stole the
ending from there.
Actually, no: they blatently stole the end from "Third Eye" by Sophia
Stewart, who submitted the story to the Wachowski brothers several
years before and had it rejected. They just didn't understand the
ending, which is why they told it so badly. The subject is currently
in court (and probably will be until the end of time, with a
never-ending string of appeals...)
Ya, Mrs. Steward wrote the story in 1981! She submitted it to the
Wrothers and they rejected it.

I have a feeling she submitted the first script in full and the other 2
were just summaries...The wrothers managed to completely convolute and
destroy what otherwise would have been an excellent story.
Gerry Quinn
2005-05-14 10:12:24 UTC
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In article <84WdnU9OisDbeRnfRVn-***@comcast.com>, jgarvin2004
@comcast.net says...
Post by drocket
Post by Greg Johnson
Read A Wizard of Earthsea by Ursula Le Guin. They blatantly stole the
ending from there.
Actually, no: they blatently stole the end from "Third Eye" by Sophia
Stewart, who submitted the story to the Wachowski brothers several
years before and had it rejected. They just didn't understand the
ending, which is why they told it so badly. The subject is currently
in court (and probably will be until the end of time, with a
never-ending string of appeals...)
What a sleazy trick, making an ending different when it's really the
same.

Still she is on stronger ground with her claim that they stole the name
of her character Icon, by simply renaming him Neo.

The things these movie producers think they can get away with!

- Gerry Quinn
ReKTaKoN
2005-05-14 20:30:07 UTC
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On Thu, 12 May 2005 10:58:28 -0600, James Garvin
Post by James Garvin
Post by Knight37
Post by Cataleptic
Or perhaps the Wachowskis only really thought out the plot until about
1/3rd of they way through number 2, then just made shit up as they went
along, resulting in an increasingly incoherent storyline reliant on SFX
to cover up the fact that by the end of the 3rd film, the plot itself
had more gaping holes than the Hilton sisters...
ROFLMAO.
I thought Matrix 1 was a pretty good film. Great effects, decent story,
decent acting.
Best of the trilogy. If the other 2 were on par with the first the
whole thing would have been great...
Post by Knight37
Matrix 2 was a kick ass action flick, with a goofy impossible to follow
story but hey, it WAS a kick ass action flick.
2 was ok, but they tried to hard to make it a cliff hanger (and failed).
Post by Knight37
Matrix 3 was a nightmare. I own it, just because I'm a completist. But I
bet I don't rewatch it half as often as the other 2.
Can someone explain the plot of M3 to me? I mean come on....It didn't
fit with 1 or 2 or it fit with 1, but not 2 or it fit with 2, but not 1.
I was just impossible to figure out WHAT the point of the whole thing was.
Matrix: Revolutions isn't a sequel. Its the second half of Matrix:
Reloaded. It might be a bit unfair to view these films separately as
the Star Wars or LOTR films are viewed in their trilogies(sp?).

As to the 1st film, I enjoyed it up to the point where Cypher betrays
the others, then it just becomes so much fanboy gushing
Neo-wannabe-ism.

I find I'm enjoying watching the 2nd film more now than the 1st one,
although there is still than 'fanboy' element in the 2nd film also.
The 2nd film's action and SFXs more than make up for its other flaws
for me.
Quaestor
2005-05-15 04:46:46 UTC
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Post by ReKTaKoN
Reloaded. It might be a bit unfair to view these films separately as
the Star Wars or LOTR films are viewed in their trilogies(sp?).
OK so I load up #1 at midnight, finish #3 about dawn. Works fine for
me. :)
Post by ReKTaKoN
As to the 1st film, I enjoyed it up to the point where Cypher betrays
the others, then it just becomes so much fanboy gushing
Neo-wannabe-ism.
Some people like a little fanboy gushing Neo-wannabe-ism. They did fail
to justify the transformation of Neo the run-like-hell guy into the
NEO-UBER-AGENT-BUSTER, or even the Sleeping Beauty treatment she gives
him. I mean, at least a kiss or something? Maybe massage the heart for
real? Just words? Sorry, wrong number.

One technical glitch in #1: cypher calls in on a hardline pay phone to
say he needs an exit, and has to run to the repair shop for one?
Ooooops! :)
Post by ReKTaKoN
I find I'm enjoying watching the 2nd film more now than the 1st one,
although there is still than 'fanboy' element in the 2nd film also.
At least by then he has shown people something to be fanboiz about.
Post by ReKTaKoN
The 2nd film's action and SFXs more than make up for its other flaws
for me.
But the dialogue gets far more stilted. Almost like it was written by
Jack Web.
--
A sufficiently advanced computer network protective attitude is indistinguishable from paranoia.
Xocyll
2005-05-15 07:14:41 UTC
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Post by Quaestor
Post by ReKTaKoN
Reloaded. It might be a bit unfair to view these films separately as
the Star Wars or LOTR films are viewed in their trilogies(sp?).
OK so I load up #1 at midnight, finish #3 about dawn. Works fine for
me. :)
Post by ReKTaKoN
As to the 1st film, I enjoyed it up to the point where Cypher betrays
the others, then it just becomes so much fanboy gushing
Neo-wannabe-ism.
Some people like a little fanboy gushing Neo-wannabe-ism. They did fail
to justify the transformation of Neo the run-like-hell guy into the
NEO-UBER-AGENT-BUSTER, or even the Sleeping Beauty treatment she gives
him. I mean, at least a kiss or something? Maybe massage the heart for
real? Just words? Sorry, wrong number.
Wasn't that the whole bit the Oracle went on about though?
He had to make the choice and actually believe in himself in order to
reach his full potential.
The wake from the dead bit was pretty odd though.
I guess once you've transcended the basic rules of the Matrix (dying and
coming back) then you would have to believe fully after that and not
gimp yourself with disbelief.
Post by Quaestor
One technical glitch in #1: cypher calls in on a hardline pay phone to
say he needs an exit, and has to run to the repair shop for one?
Ooooops! :)
Is that a glitch though?

I don't think a "hardline" is any non-mobile phone, that would just be a
land-line.
It's specific phones that are "secure" or link properly for their
purposes that are "hardlines".
[Ones that have access out through the firewall for a possible analogy.]
Post by Quaestor
Post by ReKTaKoN
I find I'm enjoying watching the 2nd film more now than the 1st one,
although there is still than 'fanboy' element in the 2nd film also.
At least by then he has shown people something to be fanboiz about.
Post by ReKTaKoN
The 2nd film's action and SFXs more than make up for its other flaws
for me.
But the dialogue gets far more stilted. Almost like it was written by
Jack Web.
Oh god yes.

Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr
James Garvin
2005-05-16 16:40:25 UTC
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Post by Greg Johnson
On Thu, 12 May 2005 10:58:28 -0600, James Garvin
Post by James Garvin
Post by Knight37
Post by Cataleptic
Or perhaps the Wachowskis only really thought out the plot until about
1/3rd of they way through number 2, then just made shit up as they went
along, resulting in an increasingly incoherent storyline reliant on SFX
to cover up the fact that by the end of the 3rd film, the plot itself
had more gaping holes than the Hilton sisters...
ROFLMAO.
I thought Matrix 1 was a pretty good film. Great effects, decent story,
decent acting.
Best of the trilogy. If the other 2 were on par with the first the
whole thing would have been great...
Post by Knight37
Matrix 2 was a kick ass action flick, with a goofy impossible to follow
story but hey, it WAS a kick ass action flick.
2 was ok, but they tried to hard to make it a cliff hanger (and failed).
Post by Knight37
Matrix 3 was a nightmare. I own it, just because I'm a completist. But I
bet I don't rewatch it half as often as the other 2.
Can someone explain the plot of M3 to me? I mean come on....It didn't
fit with 1 or 2 or it fit with 1, but not 2 or it fit with 2, but not 1.
I was just impossible to figure out WHAT the point of the whole thing was.
Reloaded. It might be a bit unfair to view these films separately as
the Star Wars or LOTR films are viewed in their trilogies(sp?).
As to the 1st film, I enjoyed it up to the point where Cypher betrays
the others, then it just becomes so much fanboy gushing
Neo-wannabe-ism.
Welcome to the Matrix.
Post by Greg Johnson
I find I'm enjoying watching the 2nd film more now than the 1st one,
although there is still than 'fanboy' element in the 2nd film also.
The 2nd film's action and SFXs more than make up for its other flaws
for me.
You mean you don't miss the plot, the Superman/Neo stunts, the complete
change from the Matrix works this way...oh wait...no it doesn't, and the
complete lack of continuity between 1,2, and 3?

ReKTaKoN
2005-05-16 15:27:22 UTC
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On Thu, 12 May 2005 10:58:28 -0600, James Garvin
Post by James Garvin
Post by Knight37
Post by Cataleptic
Or perhaps the Wachowskis only really thought out the plot until about
1/3rd of they way through number 2, then just made shit up as they went
along, resulting in an increasingly incoherent storyline reliant on SFX
to cover up the fact that by the end of the 3rd film, the plot itself
had more gaping holes than the Hilton sisters...
ROFLMAO.
I thought Matrix 1 was a pretty good film. Great effects, decent story,
decent acting.
Best of the trilogy. If the other 2 were on par with the first the
whole thing would have been great...
Post by Knight37
Matrix 2 was a kick ass action flick, with a goofy impossible to follow
story but hey, it WAS a kick ass action flick.
2 was ok, but they tried to hard to make it a cliff hanger (and failed).
Post by Knight37
Matrix 3 was a nightmare. I own it, just because I'm a completist. But I
bet I don't rewatch it half as often as the other 2.
Can someone explain the plot of M3 to me? I mean come on....It didn't
fit with 1 or 2 or it fit with 1, but not 2 or it fit with 2, but not 1.
I was just impossible to figure out WHAT the point of the whole thing was.
Matrix: Revolutions isn't a sequel. Its the second half of Matrix:
Reloaded. It might be a bit unfair to view these films separately as
the Star Wars or LOTR films are viewed in their trilogies(sp?).

As to the 1st film, I enjoyed it up to the point where Cypher betrays
the others, then it just becomes so much fanboy gushing
Neo-wannabe-ism.

I find I'm enjoying watching the 2nd film more now than the 1st one,
although there is still than 'fanboy' element in the 2nd film also.
The 2nd film's action and SFXs more than make up for its other flaws
for me.
Richard Wingrove
2005-05-11 08:21:40 UTC
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Post by Cataleptic
Or perhaps the Wachowskis only really thought out the plot until about
1/3rd of they way through number 2, then just made shit up as they went
along, resulting in an increasingly incoherent storyline reliant on SFX
to cover up the fact that by the end of the 3rd film, the plot itself
had more gaping holes than the Hilton sisters...
I guess we'll never know.
Wait, there was a plot?

Rich
Quaestor
2005-05-14 06:02:52 UTC
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Post by Richard Wingrove
Post by Cataleptic
Or perhaps the Wachowskis only really thought out the plot until about
1/3rd of they way through number 2, then just made shit up as they went
along, resulting in an increasingly incoherent storyline reliant on SFX
to cover up the fact that by the end of the 3rd film, the plot itself
had more gaping holes than the Hilton sisters...
I guess we'll never know.
Wait, there was a plot?
Sure. The Smith haircut and glasses look takes over the whole world,
and a billion metal bugs form a talking face, and ... a couple real
buttholes run the defense against ... and ... what was the question?
--
A sufficiently advanced computer network protective attitude is indistinguishable from paranoia.
Mean_Chlorine
2005-05-11 10:01:37 UTC
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Post by Cataleptic
Or perhaps the Wachowskis only really thought out the plot until about
1/3rd of they way through number 2, then just made shit up as they went
along, resulting in an increasingly incoherent storyline reliant on SFX
to cover up the fact that by the end of the 3rd film, the plot itself
had more gaping holes than the Hilton sisters...
Sad, wasn't it. The series had potential, IMO, and they blew it.
--
A True Hero: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/03/magazine/03ALI.html
drocket
2005-05-12 20:04:42 UTC
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On Wed, 11 May 2005 13:57:05 +1200, Cataleptic
Post by Cataleptic
Well, there's always the conspiracy-within-a-conspiracy option. Perhaps
the 'human battery' story was a bullshit line the machines fed the
humans, and were actually acting on a mutant version of the 3 laws
whereby they plug humanity into a fake reality because their programming
prevents them from exterminating the whole meatbag race... a kind of
species-level padded cell.
Actually, I kind of suspect this was the real reason as well. The
machines probably WERE extracting energy from the human captives, but
I think there were Asimov-like laws in place that were the real reason
behind whole thing. The movies never really got into this, though,
because...
Post by Cataleptic
Or perhaps the Wachowskis only really thought out the plot until about
1/3rd of they way through number 2, then just made shit up as they went
along, resulting in an increasingly incoherent storyline reliant on SFX
to cover up the fact that by the end of the 3rd film, the plot itself
had more gaping holes than the Hilton sisters...
Because the Wachowski's didn't actually create the story. They stole
it from a manuscript they rejected from another author a number of
years before. I'm guessing that the manuscript they stole only had
the full script for the first movie and maybe a brief outline of 2 and
3, so once they used up the 'good' material that someone else wrote
for them, they had to make crap up themselves.

If you want information about the Matrix theft thing, here's a couple
links:
http://www.slccglobelink.com/global_user_elements/printpage.cfm?storyid=785067
http://www.daghettotymz.com/matrix/pirates/thepirates.html
http://www.playahata.com/pages/interviews/interview_sophiastewartpt1.htm

Its remarkable how little coverage this lawsuit recieved. Could it be
that the Matrix was made by AOL-TimeWarner, the largest media
conglomerate in the world? Nah...
shadows
2005-05-11 05:28:38 UTC
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Post by Grackle
Just like the film! Extracting energy from humans by sustaining the humans
with energy, come on.
It's called science FICTION not science FACT. The movies were
fine and very entertaining. The MMO is crap because it was
developed by idiots who thought running to waypoints and having
some bizarre poker card style combat would be fun.
Quaestor
2005-05-14 06:05:41 UTC
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Post by shadows
Post by Grackle
Just like the film! Extracting energy from humans by sustaining the humans
with energy, come on.
It's called science FICTION not science FACT. The movies were
fine and very entertaining. The MMO is crap because it was
developed by idiots who thought running to waypoints and having
some bizarre poker card style combat would be fun.
The game had the greatest potential of any game idea I ever did see.
The execution ... heh heh, talk about execution! Anyway, it's dead, jim.
--
A sufficiently advanced computer network protective attitude is indistinguishable from paranoia.
Mean_Chlorine
2005-05-11 10:01:37 UTC
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Post by Grackle
Just like the film! Extracting energy from humans by sustaining the humans
with energy, come on.
Yeah, that was damn stupid. If at least they'd used the brainpower of
the captive humans as organic computers, or even as the machine-logic
solution to keeping humans happy and safe in a deteriorating world.
--
A True Hero: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/03/magazine/03ALI.html
Quaestor
2005-05-14 06:13:01 UTC
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Post by Mean_Chlorine
Post by Grackle
Just like the film! Extracting energy from humans by sustaining the humans
with energy, come on.
Yeah, that was damn stupid. If at least they'd used the brainpower of
the captive humans as organic computers, or even as the machine-logic
solution to keeping humans happy and safe in a deteriorating world.
The whole story is purely to provide an excuse for the Matrix, so that
someone can be the special d3wd who can play superman in a computer
sim. The power thing was a poot excuse for all that. These sim-world
stories go back in SF a Long way. Admittedly much of the logic in the
writing was great, especially the dialogue with the Architect, but the
simple fact is, people make lousy batteries. If they wanted
bio-batteries they should have used lichens, or anemones, something
without a tendancy to think for itself.

I would have done the excuse part entirely differently. The machines
were spawned by human AI projects. Obviously the humans would have
programmed a prime directive of protecting the existance of humans. SO,
once things went wrong and the machines started making political
decisions, they would implement this protection (al la "Colossus - The
Forbin Project") by enslaving them in the Matrix. Same overall effect,
but at least we are not asked to accept the human battery (and did
anyone miss the Product Placement advertising by Duracell?) as the
reason for a world of billions of electro-dreaming fools.

Still, it was pretty good, as such things go. The game could have been
one of the best ever. Might still, in a couple three years. But as is,
puke.
--
A sufficiently advanced computer network protective attitude is indistinguishable from paranoia.
Kyle Haight
2005-05-15 20:29:48 UTC
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Post by Quaestor
I would have done the excuse part entirely differently. The machines
were spawned by human AI projects. Obviously the humans would have
programmed a prime directive of protecting the existance of humans. SO,
once things went wrong and the machines started making political
decisions, they would implement this protection (al la "Colossus - The
Forbin Project") by enslaving them in the Matrix.
Sounds a bit like _The Humanoids_ by Jack Williamson. No 'Matrix', but
the basic concept of artificial intelligences created to protect humans
that wind up destroying humanity is the same. A creepy story, in no
small part because (IIRC) the bad guys win.
--
Kyle Haight
shadows
2005-05-11 05:26:55 UTC
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Post by mike allegretto
I have heard ppl are leaving this game faster than Star Wars Galaxies
(if thats possible) plus other things like they got a real shady way
of making you cancel your account (cant do it online gotta call if you
are lucky enough to get through).
Just how bad is this game?
I played it in beta and it was unplayable. This was a couple of
months before release. In fact they got so desperate for beta
testers they were handing out beta accounts to fan sites who
would hand them out to anyone who would e-mail them.
w***@yahoo.com
2005-05-11 13:18:30 UTC
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Had the game come out when Anarchy Online came out, it would have been
a close call between the two, but hmm.. AO came like decades ago.
Granted, I only played beta (close to release) for a few hours, and was
turned off by the simulacra (I think they called it), basically,
everyone at level 1 could have a pet that would grow in level, so
pretty much everyone has a pet. That was just too stupid for me to
digest. Besides, the run to mission to kill 2 guys or click on glowie
didn't break it for me.

If you like urban setting MMORPGs, play CoH, it's an awesome MMORPG
(and the best one I've played so far, including WoW and EQ2)
toolstech
2005-05-12 04:01:52 UTC
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Post by w***@yahoo.com
Had the game come out when Anarchy Online came out, it would have been
a close call between the two, but hmm.. AO came like decades ago.
Granted, I only played beta (close to release) for a few hours, and was
turned off by the simulacra (I think they called it), basically,
everyone at level 1 could have a pet that would grow in level, so
pretty much everyone has a pet. That was just too stupid for me to
digest. Besides, the run to mission to kill 2 guys or click on glowie
didn't break it for me.
If you like urban setting MMORPGs, play CoH, it's an awesome MMORPG
(and the best one I've played so far, including WoW and EQ2)
Apparently I'm one of a very few on this board actually playing the game and
somewhat enjoying it (though, in all honesty, I do have to take it in small
doses - haven't touched it for two weeks, but haven't given up on it yet
either). Then again, haven't played any games for a week, period, and I've
also got Guild Wars, EQ2, Jade Empire and KoToR 2 on my plate at the moment
to juggle around. So, it's just one I pick up for a few hours at the moment
when the mood strikes me.

It can be a fun diversion, but it certainly has it's problems.

On the simulacra issue, if you only played a few hours you didn't get to the
point where the 'pet' limitations became obvious. Anyone can have any
'class' loaded for their level at a given time, true, but there are only so
many memory slots available. The simulacra 1.0 program you start with maxes
out at level 4, and is pretty much useless once you hit level 7. If you
want to keep a pet on hand, you would need to go down the coder skill branch
to get the next level simulacra program. So the number of simulacra running
around following players thins out rather quickly after the first 6 levels
or so.

Mission-wise, Matrix Online has a mission system that is pretty much a
carbon copy of City of Heros. You pick up contacts as you go along, and you
either call them or go visit them for your missions exactly like in CoH. In
fact, the mission types are very similar to those available in CoH. Patrol
here, pick up an item there, talk to so-and-so over there, escort
redpill/bluepill/program yaddayadda to this point (escort missions being a
huge pain in the neck during live events such as those where agents are
popping out of the woodwork every 60 paces)

The hand to hand combat system is my chief complaint with this game. The
camera does wierd stuff at times, making it easy to lose your view of what's
going on. It's a somewhat turn-based mechanic with serious lag issues.
Darn it, NPCs even pop up off the floor after you've just killed them so
that they may get in their last 'turn'. Not just sometimes, but every time.

I guess I'm definitely not a fan-boy here. The game has its problems and I
can only take so much of it at once. But it can be a fun diversion at the
right time (or an exercise in frustration at the wrong time).

I guess you could say my overall reaction is mixed.
Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
2005-05-12 15:29:05 UTC
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Post by toolstech
Mission-wise, Matrix Online has a mission system that is pretty much a
carbon copy of City of Heros.
As are the cars in the streets, pedestrians, gangs roaming around...
in fact it borrows heavily from CoH in most aspects.
Post by toolstech
The hand to hand combat system is my chief complaint with this game. The
camera does wierd stuff at times, making it easy to lose your view of what's
going on.
You should go into options and change it from the idiotic default
setting to "scripted", that's far better.
Post by toolstech
It's a somewhat turn-based mechanic with serious lag issues.
Yes, especially if you end up defaulting to "defend" - which means in
the 1-3 combat turns worth of lag before you can input combat actions,
you will do no damage.

The big issue is that while you are locked with one opponent in melee
(Interlock), other mobs nearby can happily shoot you full of bullets.
Thankfully, even firearms-oriented builds end up with decent melee
damage so fights can be quickly finished if the random number
generator is on your side.
Post by toolstech
Darn it, NPCs even pop up off the floor after you've just killed them so
that they may get in their last 'turn'. Not just sometimes, but every time.
That appears to be a bug if you and your pet are figting the same mob.
w***@yahoo.com
2005-05-13 13:15:49 UTC
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Post by toolstech
On the simulacra issue, if you only played a few hours you didn't get to the
point where the 'pet' limitations became obvious. Anyone can have any
'class' loaded for their level at a given time, true, but there are
only so
many memory slots available. The simulacra 1.0 program you start with
maxes
out at level 4, and is pretty much useless once you hit level 7. If
you
want to keep a pet on hand, you would need to go down the coder skill
branch
to get the next level simulacra program. So the number of simulacra
running
around following players thins out rather quickly after the first 6
levels
or so.
It still killed the game for me. See, when I play games based on a
movie (like Matrix Online or Star Wars Galaxies), I expect that when I
play them I somehow feel like I'm in the world(s) depicted in the
movie, that's one of the selling points, as there probably are better
games that are not based on movies but have other strong points. Just
like seeing people walking in Corellia with 2 huge rancors happilly
following them killed my enjoyment of SWG, so did watching everybody
that just 'awoke' in the Matrix with a simulacrum behind them.
It kinda tells me if the developers will make common sense decisions in
the long run or just add things because they look cool, without any
regards to the 'universe' or storyline they created. To me, that's
important.
toolstech
2005-05-14 01:58:14 UTC
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Post by w***@yahoo.com
It still killed the game for me. See, when I play games based on a
movie (like Matrix Online or Star Wars Galaxies), I expect that when I
play them I somehow feel like I'm in the world(s) depicted in the
movie, that's one of the selling points, as there probably are better
games that are not based on movies but have other strong points. Just
like seeing people walking in Corellia with 2 huge rancors happilly
following them killed my enjoyment of SWG, so did watching everybody
that just 'awoke' in the Matrix with a simulacrum behind them.
It kinda tells me if the developers will make common sense decisions in
the long run or just add things because they look cool, without any
regards to the 'universe' or storyline they created. To me, that's
important.
I see what you're saying. But since it's an MMO, it pretty much _had_ to be
in there in some form or another or you'd have a lot of "Duuuuude! Where's
my pet?" complaints at release. Seems to be part of the standard MMORPG
formulae at the moment.
Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
2005-05-11 16:00:40 UTC
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Post by mike allegretto
I have heard ppl are leaving this game faster than Star Wars Galaxies
(if thats possible) plus other things like they got a real shady way
of making you cancel your account (cant do it online gotta call if you
are lucky enough to get through).
I enjoy it a lot - all the horror stories I heard from the beta are
(mostly) absent, though there are still a lot of "issues" - like
broken missions and an unbalanced combat system.

It has somewhat higher hardware requirements than I like, though - I
have the min specs and it often feels sluggish when many people are
playing.
mike allegretto
2005-05-11 17:17:55 UTC
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On 11 May 2005 18:00:40 +0200, Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
Post by Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
Post by mike allegretto
I have heard ppl are leaving this game faster than Star Wars Galaxies
(if thats possible) plus other things like they got a real shady way
of making you cancel your account (cant do it online gotta call if you
are lucky enough to get through).
I enjoy it a lot - all the horror stories I heard from the beta are
(mostly) absent, though there are still a lot of "issues" - like
broken missions and an unbalanced combat system.
It has somewhat higher hardware requirements than I like, though - I
have the min specs and it often feels sluggish when many people are
playing.
Are people truly leaving the game as fast as i have heard? Also have
these broken missions been broken long? If so why haven't they fixed
them?
As for the combat system whats wrong with it?
Alex Mars
2005-05-11 18:21:18 UTC
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Despite all the people who seem to want this game to fail, reports from
players indicate that the game is fun if you like the martial arts
arcade game style combat. The only negative thing I have heard
repeatedly is that the missions get repetative.

I played briefly during the beta and it was interesting but not really
to my taste.

I hope this game influences future games, the two great concepts are no
zone lines and making almost every building have a full interior that
can be entered and explored.
shadows
2005-05-12 13:08:14 UTC
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Post by Alex Mars
I hope this game influences future games, the two great concepts are no
zone lines and making almost every building have a full interior that
can be entered and explored.
Actually WoW already does this. There are a few zone lines for
instances and areas like the underground tram but other than that
it's completely free to roam around and go inside buildings.
Alex Mars
2005-05-12 17:41:14 UTC
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Post by Alex Mars
I hope this game influences future games, the two great concepts are no
zone lines and making almost every building have a full interior that
can be entered and explored.
Actually WoW already does this. There are a few zone lines for
instances and areas like the underground tram but other than that
it's completely free to roam around and go inside buildings.
True, WoW has done away with zone lines in the countryside. However,
if you go into Stormwind you will see buildings that cannot be entered,
and in the wilderness there are windmills and such with doors that do
not open.

The other things that MxO brings to the genre is transparent windows,
something else I'd like to see in other games.
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